Yvan888在2020-02-03~2020-02-09的言论

2020-02-03 作者: Yvan888

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791: China accuses US of spreading panic and not offering help… after rejecting their offer of help, submitted on 2020-02-03 17:42:31+08:00.
792: Low-key piece of shit… I see this guy licking his hands and touching the poles every morning., submitted on 2020-02-03 20:14:56+08:00.
793: ZT 对本次疫情的结构性反思：谣言、官僚和国家主义, submitted on 2020-02-04 04:22:54+08:00.
794: 许章润新作：愤怒的人民已不再恐惧, submitted on 2020-02-04 19:17:44+08:00.
795: The world and China, submitted on 2020-02-04 20:46:11+08:00.
796: Hong Kongers have to form their own team checking body temperatures of the Chinese people at the border because the government had refused to close it, submitted on 2020-02-05 10:13:22+08:00.
797: China: I’ll never forgive the japanese, submitted on 2020-02-05 13:51:14+08:00.
798: Xi Jinping is nowhere to be seen amid coronavirus outbreak - CNN, submitted on 2020-02-05 16:40:59+08:00.
799: 翻译 Translation Thread! 2020-02-05, submitted on 2020-02-05 23:04:36+08:00.
800: Dont think he understood the concept of looking to his right. (Originally posted by Anonymousv471), submitted on 2020-02-06 03:17:24+08:00.
801: 大家有什么想问美国前国防部长马蒂斯的问题？, submitted on 2020-02-06 09:28:04+08:00.
802: 朋友在美国与“爱国反共”人士的争辩, submitted on 2020-02-06 10:13:33+08:00.
803: Nothing Will Change, Right?, submitted on 2020-02-07 02:57:04+08:00.
804: “We want freedom of speech” trends on Weibo for 30 mins, following Li Wenliang’s death, submitted on 2020-02-07 03:39:13+08:00.
805: 经中央批准，国家监察委员会决定派出调查组赴湖北省武汉市，就群众反映的涉及李文亮医生的有关问题作全面调查。, submitted on 2020-02-07 13:39:24+08:00.
806: 求一个能真正读懂中国经济的书, submitted on 2020-02-07 21:43:11+08:00.
807: 王沪宁比起张春桥你们觉得哪个厉害？, submitted on 2020-02-08 05:49:07+08:00.

791: China accuses US of spreading panic and not offering help… after rejecting their offer of help, submitted on 2020-02-03 17:42:31+08:00.

—– 791.1 —–2020-02-04 07:17:36+08:00:

tbh there are indeed some hyper-wumao social media accounts claiming the possibility of biochemical warfare from the US because of the great timing and the US’s travel ban as a part of anti-China trade war

I thought when reading: are you serious? 🤥

—– 791.2 —–2020-02-04 07:38:13+08:00:

Another reason is that these wumao social media accounts need to concoct these stories to feed their subscribers and maintain their influences

792: Low-key piece of shit… I see this guy licking his hands and touching the poles every morning., submitted on 2020-02-03 20:14:56+08:00.

—– 792.1 —–2020-02-04 05:19:34+08:00:

Plot twist: he’s a coronavirus infector

793: ZT 对本次疫情的结构性反思：谣言、官僚和国家主义, submitted on 2020-02-04 04:22:54+08:00.

—– 793.1 —–2020-02-04 06:49:24+08:00:

Plot twist: 习总感染了coronavirus

—– 793.2 —–2020-02-04 20:22:18+08:00:

怎么说？

794: 许章润新作：愤怒的人民已不再恐惧, submitted on 2020-02-04 19:17:44+08:00.

—– 794.1 —–2020-02-05 11:01:53+08:00:

I learned NOTHING new in this bookish article

Waste my time

795: The world and China, submitted on 2020-02-04 20:46:11+08:00.

—– 795.1 —–2020-02-05 09:47:50+08:00:

The luxun explanation is outmoded af being used here

—– 795.2 —–2020-02-05 09:49:36+08:00:

I learned from weibo that it’s because Japan is one of the few countries that haven’t had the travel ban and gave tons of stuffs to China. And/or, the author of this manga is Japanese

Not sure how true it is

—– 795.3 —–2020-02-05 09:53:25+08:00:

Not sure the reason

—– 795.4 —–2020-02-05 10:33:40+08:00:

I’m impressed by your “brain hole” lol

796: Hong Kongers have to form their own team checking body temperatures of the Chinese people at the border because the government had refused to close it, submitted on 2020-02-05 10:13:22+08:00.

—– 796.1 —–2020-02-05 19:27:16+08:00:

So nowadays HK society is politicalizing everything

797: China: I’ll never forgive the japanese, submitted on 2020-02-05 13:51:14+08:00.

—– 797.1 —–2020-02-06 07:44:14+08:00:

I don’t see the relation between the title and the image?

798: Xi Jinping is nowhere to be seen amid coronavirus outbreak - CNN, submitted on 2020-02-05 16:40:59+08:00.

—– 798.1 —–2020-02-05 19:50:11+08:00:

Just a reminder: Xi didn’t show up in public and TV over one month in the year before his presidency

By the rumor, it’s due to a failed assassination by a truck assigned by Zhou Yongkang, ending up hurting Xi’s arm

—– 798.2 —–2020-02-06 00:33:58+08:00:

What’s huangdao?

—– 798.3 —–2020-02-06 06:33:47+08:00:

Yes definitely BXL and ZYK

actually there are two assassinations that I heard are kinda credible

799: 翻译 Translation Thread! 2020-02-05, submitted on 2020-02-05 23:04:36+08:00.

—– 799.1 —–2020-02-08 06:27:27+08:00:

Definitely YES and it’s common

—– 799.2 —–2020-02-08 06:30:08+08:00:

5V DC power supply outputs

800: Dont think he understood the concept of looking to his right. (Originally posted by Anonymousv471), submitted on 2020-02-06 03:17:24+08:00.

—– 800.1 —–2020-02-06 07:54:58+08:00:

Technically yes but no one follows it

801: 大家有什么想问美国前国防部长马蒂斯的问题？, submitted on 2020-02-06 09:28:04+08:00.

—– 801.1 —–2020-02-06 18:50:24+08:00:

具体美国国内哪方是hardliner？

—– 801.2 —–2020-02-07 04:24:19+08:00:

反而智库强硬些军方两者都有意想不到啊我以为反过来

802: 朋友在美国与“爱国反共”人士的争辩, submitted on 2020-02-06 10:13:33+08:00.

—– 802.1 —–2020-02-06 18:52:22+08:00:

自己立个靶子打有意思吗？自淫？

803: Nothing Will Change, Right?, submitted on 2020-02-07 02:57:04+08:00.

—– 803.1 —–2020-02-07 05:11:29+08:00:

This is a good question

IMO the thing does change a bit

Generally speaking, I hate the people who always say Chinese people will wake up; CCP will fall under each negative news of China, including the Tianjin explosion, NBA tweet, HK protest, etc.

However, in this case, I hold an opposite opinion, especially after the Hubei Red Cross scandal, the fake news of the traditional Chinese medicine posted by CCP mouthpiece, the malpractice of Dali local government, and the death of the whistleblower. The people are angry about the government and even the whole system. Because:

(1) Every person is involved in this plague (different from the Tianjin explosion). The death number is huge. The impact is huge. The involvement is comprehensive, far-ranging and ongoing so you can test how each component of the whole bureaucratic system works, while the Tianjin explosion can be attributed to the lack of safety regulation of the local government or even the local company.

(2) The white-or-black is clear. There is no room for any foreign intervention excuse (different from HK protest) or any ideology chasm (different from NBA tweet). The target is clear: save the people efficiently and timely. It’s a basic humanism that every Chinese can be deeply engaged with. If a government cannot satisfy this fundamental requirement, how can the people trust you?

Unfortunately, the Chinese government did really badly this time, compared to their performance in the 2008 Sichuan earthquake. The social influence is larger than my expectation, I saw some young people post online that it’s their first time to be disappointed about this country and question the efficiency of the bureaucratic system.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying the people will be strongly against CCP/Xi or even start a revolution tomorrow. But at least the credibility of CCP is dramatically damaged in this incident. The domestic endorsement of CCP is pretty strong and ascending from 2008 to now and I thought it would go down after one or two decades if China has a recession at that time. But now, the hands of the clock may run faster.

—– 803.2 —–2020-02-07 06:30:42+08:00:

You’re right. There are lots of people satisfying with the current arrangements and governing and feeling proud of the stuffs such as the speed of hospital construction. But the satisfied people would be much larger if the government can handle it more skillfully.

The young generation, though might be as nationalism as their elders (or even more patriotic), are less easy to be fooled.

—– 803.3 —–2020-02-07 07:10:23+08:00:

exactly my thought, 集中力量办大事 is the most important selling point of Chinese model but they didn’t 办 well this 大事

—– 803.4 —–2020-02-07 19:02:43+08:00:

There will be recession this time but I don’t think the people will blame the government too much because neither plague nor trade war is the government’s fault (at least in their eyes).

I am talking about a longer, possible recession one or two decades later due to the demographic crisis caused by one child policy and other social instabilities. Since economic blooming is the biggest foundation of CCP governing and one child policy is a big “achievement” of CCP, these recessions will probably impair them a lot. Of course, it depends on the actual performance and the scapegoat at that time, who knows.

—– 803.5 —–2020-02-07 19:24:52+08:00:

What if they think, in this critical moment of the plague, they should show solidarity and fight together with CCP? What if they think, the long recession is a fault of the US’s trade war or something and should work together to fight back?

Yes, sure, recession and unemployment is a huge social instability factor to CCP but I just don’t think it must turn out to be anti-CCP. Conversely, it has a small possibility to lead a stronger nationalism if the scapegoat is set deliberately and successfully.

Also, don’t forget three years of famine, ten years of the cultural revolution, and the 1989 TAM protest, all of them are severe and unprecedented social instabilities but CCP still keeps the throne firmly.

Edit: from the abstract of your link, it says,

However, they have so far been unwilling or unable to make fundamental reforms to address procedural injustices

But, for example, there is still a large group of Chinese don’t think the western reforms and procedural justice is a good thing… There is a huge gap of ideology and culture so the judgment would be different