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—– 152.1 —–2022-02-21 12:08:56+08:00:

I think the best way of conceptualising Hololive fandom is as anime fandom being applied to a group of streamers. So yes, the level of lewd art is exceptionally high if your point of reference is IRL streamer fandoms, but it’s pretty typical by anime fandom standards.

—– 152.2 —–2022-02-21 12:54:04+08:00:

It depends on the individual. Gaming is almost ubiquitous, but some will do gaming streams nigh-exclusively while others only do it as a portion of their content, with the rest being some combination of chatting, art, music, clip/meme reviews, and the like. There do tend to be trends for certain groups: Hololive, to which Shiranui Flare belongs, tends to be a bit more overtly diversified in terms of content, so for instance while Flare mostly does gaming streams, she also does a (relatively) high proportion of karaoke streams, averaging around one a week. Probably the best representative of Hololive’s ‘variety entertainment’ style would be Hololive English’s Mori Calliope, who until recently streamed basically constantly and who does a pretty big variety of stuff: gaming streams obviously, but also a lot of music and chatting, occasional art, a podcast with a couple of other Hololive English members, and also English learning streams with some of Hololive’s Japanese members. Members of VShojo, which is the main English-language VTuber group on Twitch, don’t emphasise music and art content to the same extent, but they’re not absent outright.

—– 152.3 —–2022-02-21 13:07:40+08:00:

To put it a better way, all of them stream video games but they also do other things. Hololive in particular still brands itself mainly as a variety entertainment agency rather than just video game streamers, so its members have a strong emphasis on music (as well as other, more individual content) aside from just gaming. A large part of this is because Japanese VTubing drew in not just gaming content creators but also utaite (cover singers) and amateur idols, where music had been their primary content to begin with, though in Hololive’s case in particular there’s also an explicit ‘idol group’ angle and aesthetic involved just to hit it home a bit harder. Even so it’s not just Hololive doing concerts, Nijisanji (the next biggest agency) also does them even without the overt idol theme.

—– 152.4 —–2022-02-21 13:27:49+08:00:

There’s a lot of Coco hero-worship particularly in relation to Hololive English, but according to Hololive’s own staff, the process of forming Hololive English had started months before Coco’s debut, as part of a general international expansion plan that had begun with the (now-defunct) Chinese branch and the (still active) Indonesian branch over late 2019-early 2020. Coco was a big signal booster for HoloEN, but not its originator by any means. She was definitely a particularly engaged member who gave a lot of support to fellow Hololive members and that is worth celebrating, but the notion that she was Hololive’s Atlas holding up the sky really understates the initiative of talents and staff alike.

—– 152.5 —–2022-02-21 17:58:40+08:00:

So obviously it’s far from certain, but there are a few things:

  • Hololive started an EN Twitter back in November 2019. To be fair, it also created a Korean account two months later that has been dormant ever since, so it’s not a firm indication that a branch was in development, but it’s an aspect of it.

  • Hololive was rolling out new international branches every few months, with an obvious delay of sorts owing to COVID, but it would be at least plausible that EN would be ‘in the works’ so to speak but not actively pursued until CN and ID debuted. There’s a post here which obviously is just another Redditor’s speculation, but they suggest that because ID requires English fluency, ID and EN share or shared a hiring team that alternated between the two branches, which is why there were such gaps between the first two generations of both branches. To put it another way there was definitely work being done on an English-language branch well before Coco’s involvement.

  • On the sub count thing, Fubuki was at over 300k by the end of 2019 and Sora had been coasting at around 250k for a while, so it was definitely not out of the question to pursue international expansion, especially given they were already doing CN and ID by the end of 2019.

  • As for the year in advance, there’s a slightly odd article involving a supposed interview with an anonymous head producer for HoloEN in early 2021 saying that things are planned out about a year ahead when it comes to EN, which isn’t clear should be extrapolated all the way back to mean that HoloEN was in the works as early as September 2019, but it definitely could be.

As noted, much of this is necessarily speculative because Cover doesn’t just leak info constantly, but considering that new debuts at Hololive do generally take quite a long time to prepare, it does seem pretty reasonable to suggest that there was a plan to create HoloEN by late 2019 at the latest.

—– 152.6 —–2022-02-23 11:23:03+08:00:

Depends which harassment: the long story short is the girl’s fans mostly harassed the guy and vice versa.

—– 152.7 —–2022-02-23 11:25:13+08:00:

only one brought in wholesale from her prior company.

Not quite, she had started as an indie, signed on with an agency briefly, and then left again a good while before getting into Hololive.

153: Remember when people said that NFTs would be a good thing for online artists?, submitted on 2022-02-21 01:24:38+08:00.

—– 153.1 —–2022-02-21 12:24:04+08:00:

To be fair, they did try with Wizards of the Coast.

—– 153.2 —–2022-02-21 14:07:30+08:00:

Absolutely swimmingly /s

154: When did humans realize that the minerals they were mining was actually non-renewable and that one day they could deplete?, submitted on 2022-02-21 10:00:59+08:00.

—– 154.1 —–2022-02-21 12:11:02+08:00:

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—– 155.1 —–2022-02-21 12:15:49+08:00:

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156: Mindless Monday, 21 February 2022, submitted on 2022-02-21 20:00:16+08:00.

—– 156.1 —–2022-02-23 11:14:32+08:00:

Without trying to start a slapfight, I feel like that critique principally consists of quibbling over interpreting some admittedly ambiguous wording on Invicta’s part that doesn’t actually impinge on the content that much. The fact is, we don’t know where the Immortals were garrisoned, how they were recruited, or how they were trained. We know that there were some troops stationed in the vicinity of the palace, but not which; we know that the Immortals were recruited from the Persian population, but not on what basis; and we know that Persian nobles had some degree of individual martial training from birth, but not if they trained as a unit (nor, moreover, if the non-noble Persians making up the bulk of the royal corps had comparable individual training to the nobles). The remainder of the critique seems to be based on the idea that we ought to take Herodotos as precisely correct in all details at face value, rather than even allowing the possibility of a ‘may’ in there. Granted, Herodotos is also pretty unambiguous that all but one of the Immortals did stay behind for Plataiai, so that is a goof, but by and large the majority of objections are to the presence of the word ‘may’ at all.

—– 156.2 —–2022-02-24 13:25:53+08:00:

it seems unlikely to me that the 10’000 immortals, who are constantly being replaced, we’re all aristocrats.

Indeed not, and in fact we can quote Herodotos (7.41) here to show it:

Behind him came a thousand spearmen of the best and noblest blood of Persia, carrying their spears in the customary manner; after them a thousand picked Persian horsemen, and after the horse ten thousand that were footmen, chosen out of the rest of the Persians. One thousand of these latter bore golden pomegranates on their spear-shafts in place of the spike, and surrounded the rest; the nine thousand were enclosed within, and bore silver pomegranates; they that held their spears reversed carried golden pomegranates also, and they that were nearest to Xerxes, apples of gold. After the ten thousand came ten thousand Persian horsemen in array. After these there was a space of two furlongs, and next the rest of the multitude followed without order or division.

So, in what we might term the ‘royal corps’ of Persian standing troops, 1000 (the spearmen in the vanguard) were recruited from the nobility, 1000 (the cavalry) are implied to have been the same, and 20,000 (10,000 infantry and 10,000 cavalry) were recruited from the Persian population writ large.

—– 156.3 —–2022-02-28 17:57:38+08:00:

Sorry, I didn’t intend to leave you entirely on read but I’ve built up a bit of a message backlog lately. The main thing is that the video does not treat the Immortals as being unknown, but rather it opts to be conservative and not make firm assertions. Yes, synthesis is important, but it isn’t a definitive statement, and surely this is especially true of fields like ancient Mediterranean history where few sources exist and where said sources must be and are dissected in immense detail.

What I found problematic was not the use of the sources as definitive, but rather attempting to make these sources say what they don’t. Invicta says we don’t know where they were garrisoned, and you disagree based on Cyrus’ inscription at Bisotun, but we simply do not know who the troops at the palace consisted of. Invicta says we don’t know how the Immortals were recruited, and you disagree based on Herodotos, but what Herodotos says is who they were recruited from (1000 each of foot and horse from the Persian nobility, 10,000 each of foot and horse from non-noble Persians), but not how (volunteering? selection by lot? conscription?). Invicta says we don’t know if and how they were trained, and you disagree based on Herodotos, but what Herodotos says is that Persian nobles, specifically, trained from youth in weapons and riding, but not if the Immortals trained as a unit, nor, critically, does he say anything about such training on the part of non-noble Persians. In the garrison case I would agree that you could suggest that the 22,000 Persian troops described by Herodotos were probably attached to the palace in some capacity, but that’s not something we know. It’s something we might surmise in attempting to reconcile our sources.

—– 156.4 —–2022-03-01 20:35:58+08:00:

The video was not being conservative at all. The assertion it makes are that such questions are unanswered.

I would make a distinction here, in that the video asserts that the questions are unanswerable, i.e. there are a considerable number of overt gaps in our knowledge that no amount of speculative insertion will compensate for. There are a lot of answers out there, but none are definitive because there is too little evidence to firmly discuss. And if we’re talking about secondary literature, Sean Manning states in his freely available PhD thesis on the Persian army (the basis for his recent book) that

I have not discussed the “ten thousand immortals,” the kardakes, or the elephants at Gaugamela because it is so hard to connect the classical sources which mention them to other evidence. A great deal of research is devoted to these topics, and it is intriguing to speculate about the Old Persian word for “companion” and Indo-European warbands of young men, but these speculations rest upon a tiny base of evidence. On the other hand, linking Herodotus’ procession with reversed spears to Neo-Assyrian reliefs and a Hittite rule, his story about the flying snakes of Ethiopia to Assyrian annals and a passage in Josephus, or his story about Oibares and the mare to an omen list, has been more productive.

There are a lot of footnotes here I’ve cut, but so much ink has been spilled precisely because so little has been conclusive.

Alternatively, the assertions were exceptionally broad. If the video had said “there is no evidence in the sources describing how the Immortals were trained to operate as a unit”, that would be correct. But the claim ‘we do not know how they were trained’ is pretty all encompassing, and is found not be to be the case with a deeper reading of Herodotus. In doing so, we can find evidence of individual training for members of the Immortals. Is it training to operate in a unit? No, but it is still a response to the point the video raises.

I would argue that it is perfectly cromulent to say we do not know how the Immortals were trained, if the only information we were going on was Herodotos’ claim that all Persian boys were trained in riding and archery, because:

  1. We have to evaluate whether Herodotos is making an accurate claim at all, as well as whether this was purely an ideal or also done in practice;

  2. The Immortals included infantry spearmen, so did they have spear training?

  3. As Herodotos himself states, this education lasted from the ages of five to twenty; assuming this was true, was there formal training or not after that age?

  4. Was this package of education something that mainly applied to the nobility rather than the broader population? And if so then given that the most likely candidate for the Immortals is the 10,000 infantry whom Herodotos describes as being drawn from the rest of the Persians, then how far can we even be sure that they had undergone it?

  5. And finally, was there training as a unit?

It isn’t that there are no reasonable answers to these questions, but rather that there are virtually no provable ones because the information largely is not there, at least when it comes to the specific matter of the 10,000 troops termed ‘immortals’ by Herodotos.

157: What Are Some Buildings With History/Purposes Like the Sainte-Chappelle?, submitted on 2022-02-21 22:25:11+08:00.

—– 157.1 —–2022-02-21 23:46:42+08:00:

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158: Gonorrhea Gallery - Weekly Discussion Thread, February 21st, 2022, submitted on 2022-02-21 23:52:55+08:00.

—– 158.1 —–2022-02-26 13:25:17+08:00:

I believe it might be this, although Miko wasn’t in a shared VC with Rushia at the time and the closest she wrote was a ‘wtf’ in chat, copying Calli. I skimmed through that clip so I don’t believe Miko’s POV is in it; for that I can only find this clip with Mandarin subs.

159: Everyone’s got a hearo they look up to - Napoleon admired Julius Caesar; Caesar idolized Alexander the Great; Alexander was enamored with Cyrus the Great… Who did Cyrus the Great revere?, submitted on 2022-02-22 23:24:55+08:00.

—– 159.1 —–2022-02-28 18:59:40+08:00:

C. 486, Xerxes crushes a rebellion in an unspecified region and wipes out a cult following what he considered a false god (Daiva Inscription XPh)

A bit of a tangential question deriving from sheer curiosity, but I have on occasion seen the suggestion that the Daiva Inscription is possibly a very oblique reference to the invasion of Greece. Now, that’s basically unprovable, but for that same reason I’m curious what basis has been given for the events being c. 486. Is there certain contextual evidence within the inscription, corroborated against other known narrative or epigraphic sources, that suggests a date in the mid-480s?

—– 159.2 —–2022-03-01 10:57:56+08:00:

Thank you! A lot of specific context I just hadn’t been aware of.

160: What are some examples of bad medicines used in medieval societies?, submitted on 2022-02-23 09:04:42+08:00.

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161: how (and why) has the confirmed kill count for the average foot soldier changed throughout history?, submitted on 2022-02-23 09:54:04+08:00.

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162: Did anyone else in Vincent Van Gogh’s family also have artistic ability?, submitted on 2022-02-23 10:08:44+08:00.

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163: Were the original Magyars of Hungary Caucasian or Asian in appearance? What do latest genetics tell us?, submitted on 2022-02-23 11:30:54+08:00.

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164: What are some of the greatest acts of diplomacy throughout history?, submitted on 2022-02-23 12:25:28+08:00.

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165: Hey history freaks i want to ask a question when in 1917 tsar was already overthrown then that Bolshevik revolution was necessary or not?, submitted on 2022-02-23 12:46:24+08:00.

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166: I’m Chris Kempshall: a historian of First World War allied relations, historical computer games, and Star Wars - AMA!, submitted on 2022-02-23 23:00:02+08:00.

—– 166.1 —–2022-02-23 23:09:34+08:00:

Hello! Thanks for coming on to do an AMA with us.

A bit of a general question, but how far would you say that video games about the First World War have helped improve the public’s understanding, especially in terms of challenging existing narratives in popular culture?

—– 166.2 —–2022-02-24 00:11:38+08:00:

Thanks!

167: [Subbed] 3rd Generation Statement [Usada Pekora, Shiranui Flare, Shirogane Noel, Houshou Marine], submitted on 2022-02-24 23:27:09+08:00.

—– 167.1 —–2022-02-25 12:51:50+08:00:

Given that Kiara seems to have known the night before, it’s more likely that some basic gist was known to EN but that the full details were not disclosed until the day of.

168: Megathread on recent events in Ukraine, submitted on 2022-02-25 01:33:06+08:00.

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169: Rushia Appreciation Thread, submitted on 2022-02-26 08:59:19+08:00.

—– 169.1 —–2022-02-28 19:34:50+08:00:

From what I know (IDK why I never joined that Discord, I probably should some time) it’s actually a group of HKnikis; their Twitter shows they’re taking a couple of ads out on the metro for Nene this week.

—– 169.2 —–2022-02-28 20:14:04+08:00:

I’m afraid I’m not sure I follow.

EDIT: Unless you mean it’s a jinx

—– 169.3 —–2022-03-04 11:33:16+08:00:

…dear god.

170: Has any Kings, Presidents or any political leader in history that was killed during a meeting with another nation?, submitted on 2022-02-26 12:43:45+08:00.

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171: Has a country ever one a self coup?, submitted on 2022-02-26 13:15:15+08:00.

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172: What are some of the most remarkable but less well-known state-sponsored celebrations and displays of wealth?, submitted on 2022-02-26 13:49:03+08:00.

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173: What makes the invasion of Ukraine any different than the War on the Middle East and Vietnam?, submitted on 2022-02-26 14:02:45+08:00.

—– 173.1 —–2022-02-26 14:58:01+08:00:

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174: Korekore just released a new video talking about the Rushia Situation. Here are some translations done by the people in the comments., submitted on 2022-02-26 14:21:43+08:00.

—– 174.1 —–2022-02-27 10:55:14+08:00:

Most of HoloLive members that are still active in their other personality channel had not once crossed the line of acting as if HoloLive personality is their own personality during their own personal time.

I believe you might have misread here, in that while there may have been the occasional name-based mix-up i.e. ‘whoopsie I used the wrong name for myself once’, these weren’t actions where they claimed to be the same person; e.g. actively alluding to specific things they were doing as their VTuber persona.

175: Have ‘honourable opponents’ ever existed in conflict?, submitted on 2022-02-26 14:32:25+08:00.

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176: Tokino Sora’s message to Kizuna AI before her last live, submitted on 2022-02-26 17:31:28+08:00.

—– 176.1 —–2022-02-26 18:59:27+08:00:

Given that Sora is something like the 7th VTuber to debut if we start counting from Ai-chan, they are very much from the same early era, even if from different agencies and with different backgrounds.

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178: [Hobby Scuffles] Week of February 28, 2022, submitted on 2022-02-27 23:00:13+08:00.

—– 178.1 —–2022-03-01 21:36:23+08:00:

Part of it is that Kiara is, as other commenters have noted, rather outspoken and rather blunt, and often a bit inarticulate as English isn’t her first language – I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if her Japanese was better! – and that’s often led to things being taken badly out of context. And I think on some level there are those who don’t like that outspokenness and bluntness in the first place. Some find her a bit grating on stream and I kind of get that as I’ve gone on and off her streams regularly, but that’s a matter of tastes and not of quality.

Although if it’s involving the image board crowds, well there’s some older baggage with Kiara relating to an earlier stint in the Japanese entertainment business where she was badly mistreated by colleagues and managers, which kind of spawned two parallel groups: one which, because they’re image board users, insists that she must have been horrible and toxic because the guy (i.e. the manager) said so, and one which, rather surprisingly for image board users, was generally sympathetic. So there are some long-term Kiara hatewatchers mixed in there.

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