Yvan888在2019-06-17~2019-06-23的言论

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309: Watch Chernobyl? Want to see a series of that quality about Tiananmen as well?, submitted on 2019-06-17 05:49:06+08:00.

—– 309.1 —–2019-07-02 06:50:56+08:00:

It is. I agree with u/Songtail

TAM is a symbol of the third wave of democracy. One of the reasons why minyun-er were so disappointed is that actually China is the FIRST one to lead this wave of democracy. However, as a result, all the other places such as USSR, TW, SK were affected by TAM directly or indirectly and at least liberalized in the end except China.

No matter how you view TAM, a liberalization movement or color revolution, that’s your freedom. But you should not deny the history, which is the bottom line.

310: Donald Trump to raise Hong Kong extradition protests with Xi Jinping at G20, Mike Pompeo says, submitted on 2019-06-17 08:13:25+08:00.

—– 310.1 —–2019-06-18 08:50:03+08:00:

” XJP is my best friend”

311: 策划人, submitted on 2019-06-17 09:39:49+08:00.

—– 311.1 —–2019-06-26 00:15:23+08:00:

听闻那兔在00后很火？

312: China Daily is in full damage control today, submitted on 2019-06-17 19:28:20+08:00.

—– 312.1 —–2019-06-18 08:45:26+08:00:

CIA and foreign intervention is ALWAYS an easy excuse

I mean, I may believe the HK independence movement (with initial members no more than 20 people) are funded by CIA

but… 2 million protests… really? I’m a bit worry about the American financial crisis if it’s true

313: When the earthquake happen…, submitted on 2019-06-18 00:02:24+08:00.

—– 313.1 —–2019-06-18 08:46:39+08:00:

Is it a weird comment here?

—– 313.2 —–2019-06-18 08:47:08+08:00:

Not sure if same term can be used for male.

No. Am Chinese

314: 坏人做一半是最不可取的，要么不做，要么做到底。关于香港 条例争议, submitted on 2019-06-18 16:37:09+08:00.

—– 314.1 —–2019-06-21 08:06:30+08:00:

你说得不算错，香港本质上就是占着中西交汇的便宜，但

香港成为一个普通的城市是必然，是股价回归正常的体现，是中国复兴的结果

前提是，要不中国变成跟西方一样的体制，要不中国体制强大到能自成生态系统

不然的话，中央不会让香港变成跟大陆一样的，不然很多事情就不方便做了

当然，以上只是建立在高层理智的基础上

—– 314.2 —–2019-06-21 08:07:32+08:00:

有听闻是江派推波助澜让习难堪哦

—– 314.3 —–2019-06-21 08:49:23+08:00:

中国体制强大到能自成生态系统

我指的是，建成类似国际社会的东西，即推广中国模式

315: 香港人的一點看法, submitted on 2019-06-18 17:28:16+08:00.

—– 315.1 —–2019-06-19 04:06:16+08:00:

真心请教，你地对陆人经常讲噶，”港英时代没有民主也不见你们反对“噶意见系乜？

我先列几个你们噶point，但唔sure边个系主流：

  1. 彭定康时代有试过民主，但中央唔肯（亲中央派会argue依个只系英国搞乱香港接收噶手法）

  2. 不止彭定康，好多港督都试过民主，但因中央阻止无法实施（但依点我睇过噶资料唔多）

  3. 港督系民主社会派来，所以冇必要再选举，但阿爷噶港共政府唔系（但听闻港英时期你们亦一直有诸多不满？抑或可以理解为，即使港英时期有不满，但比不上港共政府？）

  4. 民主选举是一个永远的需求，不因港英或港共的不同时期而有所改变

  5. 真普选系对港共政府噶不满，如果港共政府听取民意，甘样或者可以不那么坚持真普选，就如同港英时期一样？

—– 315.2 —–2019-06-19 04:17:11+08:00:

是否可以理解为，虽然民主选举系永远噶需求，但因为港英时期没有非常大噶民愤，所以对真普选噶要求唔大，回归后则因为港共政府漠视民意，所以极大推动了民主力量

316: 大四去新疆支教, submitted on 2019-06-18 18:58:26+08:00.

—– 316.1 —–2019-06-19 03:58:10+08:00:

担心扣证件不让回来什么的

单纯支教应该不至于吧，你还只是三个月那种

我听闻是武警或比较关键的基层干部才有些自由限制，但也仅此而已

317: Almost every members in President Xi’s family holds a foregin passport and nationality. (Foreign influence), submitted on 2019-06-18 19:09:20+08:00.

—– 317.1 —–2019-06-19 05:17:04+08:00:

well I’m not going to bitch XJP in this case cuz it’s understandable

The combat within CCP is extremely cruel and will involve the leaders’ family. Especially XJP intensified the anti-corruption campaign and removed the presidential term, I would be surprised if he didn’t move his family abroad.

318: So many., submitted on 2019-06-19 01:56:14+08:00.

—– 318.1 —–2019-06-19 14:00:30+08:00:

Your theory is correct

but I doubt it will happen within our lifetime

Chinese dynasty always remains several centuries

and CCP is a cruel but efficient group (maybe inefficient after loooong time tho)

which means this Red Dynasty is the strongest dynasty within Chinese history, equipped with modern technology such as AI and new energy

319: 若当年没有64事件，今天的中国民主和自由进程会不会更加快, submitted on 2019-06-19 04:52:28+08:00.

—– 319.1 —–2019-06-19 13:40:56+08:00:

谢谢，唯一一个我expect的答案

有国外研究认为64是第三波民主浪潮的表象之一，你怎么看？

320: 若当年没有64事件，今天的中国民主和自由进程会不会更加快, submitted on 2019-06-19 04:55:20+08:00.

—– 320.1 —–2019-06-19 13:51:03+08:00:

谢谢回答，你怎么看待“64是第三波民主浪潮”这个说法？

—– 320.2 —–2019-06-19 13:52:20+08:00:

64造成一定的社会动荡是无法避免的，但国内经常宣传到64成功了就是下一个叙利亚之类的，那就更是夸张

相反，若中国发展这么多年以后再来波动荡，那比64更惨，损失更大（话说64死了的人就不惨吗。。。）

但若没动荡，像 u/Spinkcat 所说，体制内自上而下的改革是几乎为0的。深化改革永远无法进行，所以中国在更高层级发展阶段的蜕变也永远无法完成

—– 320.3 —–2019-06-20 13:24:46+08:00:

国内高层持改革开放思想的很多，甚至可以说如果具备相应条件一夜之间他们会成为改革的引领者 […] 所以即使他们在中央党校内部讨论中观点多么新颖前卫 […]

虽然以我个人知道的，tg内也有不少比较反骨的，里面甚至有比较高层的

但是你这个论述会不会太过积极了？从何说起？

—– 320.4 —–2019-06-20 13:25:10+08:00:

很新颖的观点？

—– 320.5 —–2019-06-22 01:35:22+08:00:

你对现在许多中国民众对64的漠视甚至嘲讽如何看待呢？会感觉悲观吗？

—– 320.6 —–2019-06-22 01:36:53+08:00:

在国内读大学时

你不方便可以不说哈，这个是不是年代比较久远的时候了。。。

321: 走進中國新疆的「思想轉化營」－ BBC News 中文, submitted on 2019-06-19 13:55:15+08:00.

—– 321.1 —–2019-06-22 03:18:57+08:00:

陈全国入疆的时候可能为了以最快速度遏止暴恐事件，搞了这么一个不分轻重缓急，先抓人再问为什么的方案

但背后还是xjp背书啊，当时视察后就立刻搞了，说到底还是xjp治国方针就是这种作风

cqg只是把他之前在西藏那一套给放大了而已

322: 长豇豆炒培根/长豆角炒培根 蒜香长豇豆 How to Make Long Bean with Bacon - M3Top, submitted on 2019-06-20 03:52:21+08:00.

—– 322.1 —–2019-06-21 07:58:01+08:00:

这post在这个sub里真是小清新 lol

323: 推荐一个八卦党史的频道，从过去看到将来的日子, submitted on 2019-06-20 11:12:23+08:00.

—– 323.1 —–2019-06-21 07:53:45+08:00:

无论周真面目如何 他在那种环境下都是不倒翁一样 绝非一般人

324: Opening 2 pages / pdf side by side, submitted on 2019-06-20 12:54:03+08:00.

—– 324.1 —–2019-06-25 06:44:04+08:00:

iOS 13 will bring the ability to open two instances of GoodNotes side by side. Then you can have two PDFs open simultaneously.

I have downloaded the ios13 beta but I cannot open GN in two windows. Is it because GN hasn’t adjusted itself to new ios13 yet?

325: Chinese foreign minister claims ‘black hand’ of Western involvement in Hong Kong, submitted on 2019-06-20 22:02:13+08:00.

—– 325.1 —–2019-06-21 13:56:33+08:00:

sorry to say that, but the truth is that, most nationalists believe it!

As a mainlander, I debated with others a lot so I knew it.

Most of them think it’s an American blank hand to win the trade war, and they think HKers are the betrayers

326: 伊朗击落美军无人机, submitted on 2019-06-20 22:21:43+08:00.

—– 326.1 —–2019-06-22 04:18:56+08:00:

不可能打的，以为伊朗是伊拉克吗

327: What is the official news in China saying about HK protests?, submitted on 2019-06-20 23:44:55+08:00.

—– 327.1 —–2019-06-21 15:04:53+08:00:

First, 95% in this sub are expats but I’m Chinese mainlander (I just hope you didn’t pick up a wrong place)

What do the Chinese people know and think?

65% have no idea what has happened

30% believe the HKers are spoiled kids / betrayers funded by the CIA (the dirty trick of the US to win the trade war) and threatened them by canceling one-country-two-system or even war

5% like me support HK, try to debate with others (but generally would be deleted if posted in the mainland, I have just been banned on a social platform for seven days AGAIN!)

Social media themes?

If there is one behind GFW, please tell me…

Whats the Govs main angle right now?

America is the bad guy

The actual number of protesters is just 240k (by HK police) not 2m

The majority of HKers are with CCP (and support extradition law)

I think they will dilute the effect of this protest due to ongoing trade war and Taiwan’s 2020 election, therefore they will not behave aggressively recently but not sure what will happen in the long term

—– 327.2 —–2019-06-25 02:47:41+08:00:

but to be fair

There is a group of HKers indeed support, or at least don’t care, this extradition law tho

Lots of them are from the old generation and business group

328: My China experience (as Software Engineer), submitted on 2019-06-21 00:42:38+08:00.

—– 328.1 —–2019-06-21 13:20:23+08:00:

Shenzhen is a city for fighting but not living bro

That’s why you got crappy stuff with a crappy price

Even we Chinese know it

It’s Chinese Silicon Valley (not sure the quality of life in SV tho but at least the price is high)

added: however, why did you expect that you can have a fancy life in a less-developed country with less salary? Also, I slightly doubt that you may have the same problems if you go to work in other SEA countries… You know, traveling there and working there are always different experiences… but anyway, SZ is definitely an awful choice

—– 328.2 —–2019-06-21 21:59:14+08:00:

China is a big country and the variety of different palaces is huge

The rent of apartments in the 4 T1 cities are insane and surpass lots of first worlds

And among T1 cities, SZ is especially famous for its shitting food and the lack of nightlife because everyone there joins the cult of 996 lol

329: BBC新疆“培训中心”实地探访, submitted on 2019-06-21 08:06:27+08:00.

—– 329.1 —–2019-06-21 12:24:23+08:00:

实话实说 这个camp是非法的且不人道的 但也没到nazi的程度

我个人的定义是 不人道的非法强制劳改所

听闻打算为时5年？

—– 329.2 —–2019-06-21 17:40:22+08:00:

不太可能吧，汉人已经快占半了，又不是1950年维人92%的局面

而且以现在国内的舆情怎么可能会允许呢？即使ccp下台也是一样的

—– 329.3 —–2019-06-21 17:55:13+08:00:

整天想的就不会是阿拉胡阿克巴

讲道理，新疆的阿拉胡阿克巴跟中东那些大爷是不一样的

新疆的恐怖袭击是基于民族的，极端的维吾尔族人看汉人就像汉人看侵略了他们土地的日本人一样

而中东的（大部分）恐怖袭击是基于宗教的，是真正的圣战

—– 329.4 —–2019-06-21 21:39:21+08:00:

不是很多都被抓回去了吗？

—– 329.5 —–2019-06-21 21:43:35+08:00:

这是国内自己欺骗自己的手段罢了

老是宣传别人是因为经济低迷才去搞破坏，殊不知经济好了别人知识越多越反动

解决方案只有两个

要不就自由开放，实施真正的民族共和，互相尊重，虽然有一些分裂的风险，但是一旦互相认可了一切都好办

要不就文化灭绝，高压统治，让政策和时间去擦出特殊的民族印记，但是若出了什么幺蛾子反扑会很厉害（这是我们现在在做的）

—– 329.6 —–2019-06-21 22:21:13+08:00:

额 我一直以为兰拉是回族人开的 还是因为不同地方开的人不同？

—– 329.7 —–2019-06-22 02:38:53+08:00:

哈萨克人被俄化的程度倒是比维吾尔人被汉化的程度要高很多，俄语也依然是官方语言之一。

讲道理 真有那么一天的时候 维吾尔人都不知道被汉化到什么程度了 当然 仇恨可能是解不了了

—– 329.8 —–2019-06-22 02:42:26+08:00:

放权让利是不可能的

在tg下当然不可能，我说的是，学术意义上的讨论

共产党对待中国的一切事物只有两个策略：一是被共产党彻底控制，二是共产党控制不了的就要消灭掉。

这说到点子上了，对于tg而言，事物只有“已经被控制”和“暂时不能控制”两种状态，也不知道是tg的意识形态还是中国的大一统思想导致的

这也是为何港台完全不可能坐以待毙的原因，因为tg的思想跟多元化就完全是矛盾的

—– 329.9 —–2019-06-23 02:30:12+08:00:

内地很多社会运动、文化现象一样也受到打压，也是“控制不了就要消灭“的体现

这就是大一统的一种表现啊，书同文车同轨，中国有很多个朝代都是这样的，秦朝清朝等，虽然也有些比较偏自由的如唐朝

虽然我还是觉得ccp的锅要多一点，应该说，中国人的基因里面有大一统的因子，而ccp通过各种手段来不断激发这个因子来为自己一些政策背书

—– 329.10 —–2019-06-23 11:38:06+08:00:

矛盾吗？若中国人是西方那样的文化基因，不会那么容易接受这种东西

当然，ccp一半也是中国文化的产物

这是一个鸡生蛋蛋生鸡的问题。。。ok stop here

330: A Brief Timeline of U-Turns from the Chinese Market, submitted on 2019-06-21 16:23:10+08:00.

—– 330.1 —–2019-06-21 22:39:38+08:00:

Forever 21 did good business there

Ummm… really?

—– 330.2 —–2019-06-21 23:02:46+08:00:

open its markets

half tariffs

without outsourcing

without tech transfer

well, actually, the points above are kinda understandable

but… most importantly

let China embrace liberalism => enhance the power of ccp both domestically (cuz the people believe ccp brought the prosperity) and internationally (cuz the west relies on China nowadays)

—– 330.3 —–2019-06-22 01:00:17+08:00:

Your whole argument is fair, but

Comparing Meituan to Groupon or Didi to Uber, what you see is what you get.

I’m a bit confused on this point. The similarities on the surface don’t always mean their business models in deep are the same (Or did I misunderstand your sentence?)

Uber also exited from other places such as southeast Asia. Localization is always a great challenge and China is the toughest area

With Baidu vs. Google, what you see is what the government wants you to see, but most Chinese users don’t know what they’re missing.

Although there is a thing, it’s not the key point here. Google censors search results not only in China but also in other countries such as Russia

But I stand with Google in this case, Baidu research is worse and worse after Google’s exit, which is a SHAME

Amazon may have higher standards of regulation compared to Taobao, but it also lucks the bulk of Chinese suppliers than make Taobao so convenient and affordable for those living in China.

I’m not familiar with Amazon China, but I didn’t feel they value the Chinese market that much and didn’t see they iterated their products as fast as their local competitors such as JD.com and Ali. Also, unfortunately, higher standards of regulation sometimes play a negative role when the multi-nation cooperations step into the third world countries due to the lack of flexibility.

The customers in the developing countries are always price-sensitive and I believe that’s the main reason why Taobao can beat Amazon and why PDD can rise in the T3, T4 cities

—– 330.4 —–2019-06-22 03:11:58+08:00:

It’s quite common, nearly universal, that the late-developing economy first catches the first-developed economy by copycats and reverse engineering, and then surpasses them by innovation based on the capital, experience, and technology from the process of copycats (simple model).

US-to-GB, DE-to-GB, JP-to-US (at least surpass in some fields), now it’s China

When the copycats become innovators, the first phenomenon is that the domestic products begin to take the domestic market by their special advantages such as low-cost and fast-localization, then they will begin to nibble the international markets

I’m not defending any IP violations or illegal things here (reverse engineering is not always illegal, and it’s what US, DE, and JP have done in the process of catching up), but besides potential CCP’s black hand, this picture is quite natural IMO

—– 330.5 —–2019-06-22 07:57:05+08:00:

lol just check your history it’s amazing that you still have positive karmas, well done…

In this sub, you can just say something bashing the Chinese government, including in a normal business topic

PS. To be fair, I may exclude Google here because it’s more about politics but others deserve these results and may learn one or two pieces of shit from Apple / Microsoft / etc…

—– 330.6 —–2019-06-22 09:27:02+08:00:

well just my opinion but this argument is a bit politically correct

I’m not sure which kind of innovation you are talking, but at least on STEM, Chinese innovation is NOT affected by censorship. On the contrary, with the unprecedented STEM graduates and heavy R&D investment, now is just a beginning

Social Science, ummm, they are always affected by politics… Also, the average Chinese doesn’t have the universal value mindset

Arts and humanities, not too good not too bad. But thanks to the huge domestic markets, some popular culture can still dance with shackles

Added: not sure the meaning of your added point tho

—– 330.7 —–2019-06-23 13:38:32+08:00:

My point about Amazon is also about customer perception in that, while Amazon may offer a less risky online shopping experience compared to Taobao and all its fakes, most people are more focused on the fact that Taobao sells stuff they immediately need from local vendors at cheap prices with fast shipping, whereas Amazon focuses on higher-end but ultimately more expensive, slower-shipping foreign goods. When you’re just shopping for bulk toilet paper or a new kitchen mop, of course Taobao will win over Amazon.

That means the Amazon’s localization, market targeting, or self-positioning is not accurate unless they didn’t want to make money in China (but why they came in)

It’s still a fault because they failed

The only excuse I can accept is the ccp black hand (e.g. Google)

331: CCP当前在中国的存在，是利大于弊的, submitted on 2019-06-21 17:37:24+08:00.

—– 331.1 —–2019-06-22 00:12:50+08:00:

中国人民的人均政治成熟程度，也就在第三世界里比天天打仗的非洲拉美要好一些，和印度比肩，远不如日韩。

这里面的原因，70%是一贯的社会制度和法律制度造成公民活动的范围十分局限，没有得到过很多学习和磨练的机会，30%是中国的历史上没有普通公民团体成为领导阶层的历史先例，更多的是出自精英团体的英雄和伟人。

是，所以起码慢慢公民教育可不可以？

再者，跟现在乡村民主相反，是不是可以考虑在受教育程度高的上海等地开启民主特区？

怎么解释现在越走越左？难道以前的制度引起了什么社会震荡吗？现在还差过原地踏步

怎么解释近期对香港的一系列打压？把公民社会正常的诉求歪曲成反中？

这样的历史条件下，假设中国一夜之间CCP消失，那只能带来秩序缺失的混乱，和苏联式的崩溃，最后还是被拳头最大的人上台掌权，进入更黑暗的时期，而不是进入民主。现在口口声声骂CCP的，等你发现面包25000元一个的时候就会怀念CCP了。

所以CCP能不能自己慢慢自上而下改革？

再者，中国下场苏联这句话听了无数遍了。中国就算一下子民主化了，顶多社会动荡，不会是下一个苏联。一是，苏联是由很多加盟国构成的而中国不是；二是，苏联的主体民族占比就一半，但中国超过90%，而且在少民边疆地区占比也基本一半；三是，现在中国虽然不是完整的市场经济体，但其实市场经济运行已经比较完备，跟国际也完全接轨，还有香港这种缓冲地带和先行地带，比苏联不知道好多少

宁当太平犬，不做乱世人。在没有更好选项的时候，还是现实一点比较好。当然，在个人正当权益被侵犯的时候，还是应该全力以赴的声张个人权利的。

ok 我需要在强调一遍，现在不仅仅是没在前进的问题，而是极速倒车的问题。国民素质进步了也不少，怎么制度层面反而越来越保守？说好的四个自信呢？

我想，即使很多改革派人士，也不一定是激进的民主/自由斗士，但独立法治和（可以是暂时的）一定程度的言论自由是很必要的

有人的地方就有江湖，斗争是人类的天性，西方也有斗争，但法治能让斗争的惨烈程度大大降低，甚至让斗争为社会造福。而一个没有独立法治的地方，往往会很容易陷入“你死我活”的斗争，以前是文革，现在是江习斗法。有了独立法治，人才有安全感，资本家才不会轻易挪走资金，人才不会动不动移民，因为他们知道自己的权益能受到社会的保护。不然像现在一样，有钱有成就了就一个个移民，岂不是改开40年白干？

（一定程度的）言论自由的重要性就不言而喻了，08四万万亿错失了很好的改革窗口，还有是迟放开十几年的计划生育，在未来几十年的负面效果将会非常严重，虽然tg肯定会把经济降速和社会混乱扯到美国打压上。若有言论自由，起码这个可以规避很多。

还有，若中国跟国际社会没有意识形态的问题的话，我们在国际舞台上的可能性会多非常多，可以争取美国起码liberal那一派的支持（别人本来就没想怎么打压中国，是意识形态不得不打压），以及争取更多传统美国盟友更多投注我们一边，还有就是港台问题很大程度能引刃而解。现在造成港台跟大陆分歧的，正是意识形态！不断激发港毒台独的，（很大程度）也正是意识形态！

332: Does anyone else think Mandarin sounds more posh than Cantonese?, submitted on 2019-06-21 19:37:03+08:00.

—– 332.1 —–2019-06-23 10:42:49+08:00:

I’m a native speaker of both Mandarin and Cantonese and not a fan of over political correctness so what I’m going to say is sincere

Actually, it’s an extremely subjective feeling, really

On Mandarin, for instance, I feel the northeastern Chinese is a bit barbarian because their tones are always aggressive imo. But the news presenters of mainstream channels such as CCTV, their standard Mandarin sounds pleasant to me and more powerful than Cantonese

On Cantonese, well, it’s famous to Chinese people because of the Cantonese/HK songs and movies, but afaik a small group of Chinese think it sounds like SEA languages (which means posh in their ears) and they call it bird language (negative term in China)

Generally, a language with more vowels sounds more pleasant, famous examples include French and Japanese

However, the number of vowels cannot compete with the emotional feelings. For example, I didn’t like Korean when I was a kid but after the popularity of K-pop, Korean suddenly sounds pleasant in my ear

So… it’s subjective anyway

—– 332.2 —–2019-06-23 10:52:54+08:00:

I can say both languages and agree with you

Generally, Mandarin sounds more powerful than Cantonese, just check the news presenters of mainstream channels such as CCTV

333: 若中美贸易战升级到新冷战，在美国/西方的中国人/华人会受到很大影响吗？, submitted on 2019-06-22 03:43:31+08:00.

—– 333.1 —–2019-06-22 04:17:40+08:00:

想回去原因是感觉美国强弩已末，10年以后就是今日台湾，中产阶级薪水慢慢阴跌

怎么说？

—– 333.2 —–2019-06-22 05:57:08+08:00:

美国为什么牛逼，二战以前美国没有世界最好的大学，没有最伟大的思想家，但这些都没有妨碍美国成为全世界的技术领导者。美国成为超级大国的原因就是因为它在当时拥有最广泛的工业实践。

我个人认为，美国对法治和自由的坚持，才是其吸引人才的地方。美国或许不算是造血能力特别强的地方，但是他的吸血能力特别强。当然，以前也有人跟我说过，美国二战后欧洲吸了一批，冷战后苏联吸了一批，现在从中国吸不了了就GG，唯有吸印度的续命。。。但我对这种看法持保留态度，或许未来中美各有自己擅长的东西

—– 333.3 —–2019-06-22 08:46:37+08:00:

现在中国的趋势，20年后会不会变成大号北朝鲜，或者内战的叙利亚，我想一个能考虑自己未来的人心里应该有数

老实说，虽然我无比希望一个更加自由主义的中国，但是tg事实上真的只有20年吗？当然，这个要看美国这边怎么打，但是我无法想象tg20年内会到这种地步。

这么说请你不要介意，我认为长期以来很多反tg的人都会有一种tg快亡了的错觉。就像以前看微博感觉明天就要暴动了，但其实明天睡醒又照样歌舞升平。

当然，我没说你这个答案肯定有错，但有没有更加详细的论证呢？

—– 333.4 —–2019-06-22 09:38:18+08:00:

国内接触到体制的有能力的，都在拼命往外跑

这个倒是我也有听到，听闻现在在金融那块还管得很死，不过有时候听多了感觉有点麻木，有点“狼来了”的讽刺感，而且tg经常可以用一些非常规手段

不过尽管如此，我认为严重超标执行的计划生育，起码会对未来国运产生严重打击，我不太相信这么低的生育率还能玩出花来，毕竟再怎么转嫁矛盾也要有地方转才可以，人都没了，还能怎么转呢？

—– 333.5 —–2019-06-22 10:25:58+08:00:

我并无物欲，于我而言，最关键的，是明白什么事物有被信仰和奋斗的价值

btw 其实目光放远，一切都是虚无

无论ccp如何，中国几千年都在那，永远不会消失

所以，想来也没什么大不了的事情

只不过，遗憾有生之年看不到唐朝再现，唯剩暴秦法家

—– 333.6 —–2019-06-22 10:37:46+08:00:

这种只是网上垃圾话罢了，别人真正该怎么维护社会运作还是很清楚的

中国留学生全部靠考试作弊的经典论断

虽然我也是其中一份子，但我说句公道话，即使是一些家境不错的留学生，他们不少的品德其实真的一般般

至于不符合规矩这种东西，严格上，国内那些考GRE拿个不规范题库做的，或者淘宝上买教科书盗版的，甚至是有钱ipad却偏要转漏洞盗版软件的。。。讲真，太多了

—– 333.7 —–2019-06-22 11:24:31+08:00:

这个前提是没了tg吧

—– 333.8 —–2019-06-23 02:26:56+08:00:

抱歉，我当时之所以脑残加上家境两个字，是因为脑袋里想到我一个家境不错的同学打工违规打卡来赚钱（这么有钱了还要钻空子的既视感），并无什么暗示的意思

—– 333.9 —–2019-06-23 02:32:10+08:00:

这种东西当然是横向比较的（跟同代的相比），而且那个只是个比喻而已

而且，很抱歉，唐朝时，官员可以写文章讽刺今上，各种外来文化可以找到栖身之地

按照你逻辑，西方的古希腊就有原始版民主了，罗马帝国就是原始版共和制了，岂不是当朝连古西方都比不上？？？

实际上，唐朝真是反驳本朝封闭的一个最有力的武器。举个例子，正是外来佛教，才刺激了儒家进化，同时佛教也开始中国化成为中华文化的一部分。唐朝的绚烂正是因为其较自由多元的体制和社会结构造成的

本朝则只对外来的科技采取接收态度，对外来的一切文化/价值观采取敌视态度，在信息上闭关锁国，而长期这种制度和党文化更是毒害了年轻一代，去知乎上看，沙文主义右翼主义快屠版了。很熟悉吧？就是个大号的清朝。不同的是，这个清朝有现代科技加持和效率极高的极权制度，所以力量非常之大。

是功是过，待后人评价吧。不过从百千年的角度看，我是不看好的。就像现在回看几千年的中国，很多人都能列举很多盛世，但对人类文明贡献最大的，仍然是不断结出工业文明之花、人文精神之花的西方。一时的百年盛世，算得了什么？ （而且说得没有ccp就不会有盛世一样，没有ccp，或许盛世会来得慢点，但会更为长久更为繁荣更为文明）

—– 333.10 —–2019-06-23 03:06:09+08:00:

坦白地说海外华人现在的处境比9/11之后的美国穆斯林好到不要太多

这个感觉对于我而言年代比较远了，当时muslim很惨吗？

—– 333.11 —–2019-06-23 03:26:10+08:00:

你是不是对trump有什么误解… 对 r/The_Donald 里面看一下Trump支持者大概长什么样

别人大部分人反对的是，不世俗穆斯林、不规范行事的TG、非法移民

—– 333.12 —–2019-06-23 04:01:32+08:00:

额，我就知道你会说“安史之乱”

其实从学术上而言，我认为联邦制对中国是最好的，强行的“大一统”病，其实耗费了许多精力，也没什么意义，长远而言对社会更有消极的影响

事实上，对传统社会的解构，不仅仅是西方原教旨文化的影响，更是现代商业文明的影响。就像对中国传统的宗族社会解构一样，是不可违逆的历史趋势

—– 333.13 —–2019-06-23 16:14:09+08:00:

在美中国人，有人是认同美国价值观而移民，有人是为了更好的发展而留下，有人是为了学习技术回去报效祖国，有人是为了增长见闻好提高自己，有人是喜欢中国不喜中共而被迫滞美

我这问题是一般性的，你的评论稍显狭隘

—– 333.14 —–2019-06-24 03:20:33+08:00:

所以爱国是一个很宽泛的词语，你越爱那个梦想中文明的中国，你就越是反感现在这些虚伪的爱国，你懂我的意思吗？

看山是山，看山不是山，看山是山。或许你此生又会再回到原处

—– 333.15 —–2019-06-25 13:21:31+08:00:

哇，有心了，谢了！

334: has this already been done, submitted on 2019-06-22 05:26:13+08:00.

—– 334.1 —–2019-06-22 08:11:11+08:00:

As native, I also had a headache when learning it during kindergarten

It’s amazing that the government, who simplified the majority Chinese characters, didn’t reduce the number of classifiers

The only benefit is to help me appreciate the ancient Chinese poems

—– 334.2 —–2019-06-22 08:56:20+08:00:

Great! This is a point I’ve never thought

The only thing came to my mind was that I would lose the connection with ancient Chinese poems and articles where Chinese couplet plays an important role in

335: How to people understand Chinese music?, submitted on 2019-06-22 07:19:21+08:00.

—– 335.1 —–2019-06-22 09:03:04+08:00:

I am a native speaker of both Mandarin and Cantonese

tbh I have never noticed this difference before and doubted it

If there is a thing, I guess it’s because Cantonese has 9 tones while Mandarin has 4 tones so Cantonese doesn’t have to change their tones a lot in music? I’m sure that writing lyrics in Cantonese is much more difficult than in Mandarin

336: HK Hurts China’s Feeling [the Economist], submitted on 2019-06-22 09:54:51+08:00.

—– 336.1 —–2019-06-23 02:16:00+08:00:

well this argument is not true

HK and ML are dependent on each other

HK->ML: free world capital, information, materials, …

ML->HK: huge market, capital, shared economic growth, water, food, …

HK is the white glove of ML/CCP, they can get lots of things from the free world conveniently, vice versa

337: 重力卫星揭露 地下水亏损曲线，华北平原成世界最大地下水“漏斗区”, submitted on 2019-06-22 16:57:09+08:00.

—– 337.1 —–2019-06-23 10:00:36+08:00:

这是老人版post吗。。。字这么大

338: SCMP: China still committed to getting rid of ‘big, foreign and weird’ place names, submitted on 2019-06-22 20:13:48+08:00.

—– 338.1 —–2019-06-23 03:33:06+08:00:

The Four Confidences 四个自信

339: 对呀!, submitted on 2019-06-22 23:12:27+08:00.

—– 339.1 —–2019-06-23 05:12:33+08:00:

Dui Gun: 对对对对对对对对对

340: When exam is over and your friends arguing after the exam whetherthe answer was 4.57 or 4.58…. and your answer was 56284!, submitted on 2019-06-23 03:01:17+08:00.

—– 340.1 —–2019-06-23 10:08:52+08:00:

Was this exam in mainland China, HK, or SGP? Kinda interesting

341: WCGW spraying flammable chemicals on grandma, submitted on 2019-06-23 03:12:19+08:00.

—– 341.1 —–2019-06-23 10:03:40+08:00:

Do they have brain?

342: Canada ‘will join US’ in speaking out for rules-based order against China, submitted on 2019-06-23 07:57:07+08:00.

—– 342.1 —–2019-06-23 13:14:22+08:00:

No offensive to Canada, but

Canada is a member of G7

that’s why we update to G20 nowadays

343: What two countries have went from burning hatred to a surprisingly good relationship?, submitted on 2019-06-23 08:11:31+08:00.

—– 343.1 —–2019-06-24 03:39:17+08:00:

Revisionism thing

344: Federated States of Antarctica, submitted on 2019-06-23 08:22:33+08:00.

—– 344.1 —–2019-06-23 13:04:25+08:00:

The Mysterious Ice Kingdom

345: very beautiful, submitted on 2019-06-23 12:33:55+08:00.

—– 345.1 —–2019-06-23 13:18:03+08:00:

This sub is a cult of politics

you must post some anti-ccp shits to get karmas

346: 按理说，中共对香港还没有使出 “杀手锏”；why not?, submitted on 2019-06-23 22:42:08+08:00.

—– 346.1 —–2019-07-07 05:49:10+08:00:

活在梦里吗？tg真给hk断粮别人还能去援助？也不看看地理位置不是tw

—– 346.2 —–2019-07-07 20:10:18+08:00:

笑了 tg给hk断粮就代表是闹到军事封锁的地步了 以为还是以前？

—– 346.3 —–2019-07-08 02:06:57+08:00:

大哥 我的话是建立在你的话的前提上的 你说tg断粮 那不是就等于事态已经上升到军事封锁的地步了？

而且只是hk的话会个毛线新冷战 tw还算是有那么一点点机会 但也不大

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