• 602: Flawlessly Fragrant Filipinos - Weekly Discussion Thread, July 11th, 2022, submitted on 2022-07-11 21:52:13+08:00.
• 603: What is the influence of “Griggs VS Duke Power Co.” on how companies shifted their qualification requirements for a job vacancy?, submitted on 2022-07-13 08:08:43+08:00.
• 604: Even though sign language is not a universal language and variants exist for different languages ie Spanish sign language , Japanese, American . Do we have a definitive documentation of what was the first form of sign language used ?, submitted on 2022-07-13 11:19:23+08:00.
• 605: Senchou & Shion: *Looks Away, submitted on 2022-07-13 11:51:30+08:00.
• 606: Before the popularization of nation states, how did people identify where they were from when meeting foreigners?, submitted on 2022-07-13 14:55:25+08:00.
• 607: Thursday Reading & Recommendations | July 14, 2022, submitted on 2022-07-14 21:00:09+08:00.
• 608: Why didn’t China conquer Mongolia?, submitted on 2022-07-15 02:41:06+08:00.
• 609: is this wwi brass Brodie helmet real?, submitted on 2022-07-15 11:57:01+08:00.
• 610: Free for All Friday, 15 July 2022, submitted on 2022-07-15 19:00:14+08:00.
• 611: Lui loop, submitted on 2022-07-17 17:11:40+08:00.
• 612: [Hobby Scuffles] Week of July 18, 2022, submitted on 2022-07-17 23:00:13+08:00.

602: Flawlessly Fragrant Filipinos - Weekly Discussion Thread, July 11th, 2022, submitted on 2022-07-11 21:52:13+08:00.

—– 602.1 —–2022-07-12 13:23:49+08:00:

Per her ongoing stream, she knew a while ago, it seems.

—– 602.2 —–2022-07-13 20:21:40+08:00:

I was there last year and saw a lot of Holo and zero Niji, so it’ll be interesting to see a bit more diversity in VTuber-related stuff all told.

—– 602.3 —–2022-07-14 20:05:28+08:00:

I feel there’s kind of a two-way thing of on the one hand, VShojo having this whole brand identity of being an agency that’s not an agency, and on the other hand, Hololive having this reputation of being the most agency-like agency, creating a bit of a double whammy: anything that’s not Hololive becomes some kind of countercultural thing by default if you’re into it, even if it’s Nijisanji i.e. the other big agency JP-side; and VShojo capitalises on that extra hard. But it’s fascinating how people buy into the hype about VShojo as this bastion of talent freedom and the notion that Cover is some kind of dictatorial 1984poration, when the reality is that both are likely more similar than that surface-level assessment suggests. VShojo is definitely a lot more lax, I’ll give it that, but it also has at least some amount of staff etc. and presumably some kind of red lines, even if those are lines that the members have yet to cross.

—– 602.4 —–2022-07-15 02:38:45+08:00:

“In Japan, VTubing is more about idol stuff. VTubers in Japan are considered idol-like, they have to be very perfect and always on their best behavior…”

Because idol stuff is something Veibae’s own agency has never done…

—– 602.5 —–2022-07-15 03:05:17+08:00:

Yeah but Nyanners’ reason for that isn’t necessarily prudishness…

—– 602.6 —–2022-07-15 12:12:56+08:00:

…do you encounter blacksmiths, rain shamans, and secret agents in your daily life?

—– 602.7 —–2022-07-15 19:25:22+08:00:

I feel like Cover’s been not necessarily distancing from the Holostars brand name, but it does feel like there’s some level on which Holostars in the narrow sense refers only to the remaining nine members who debuted between June 2019 and May 2020. Uproar, for instance, is simply UPROAR!!! and not Holostars 4th Generation, and similarly this new StarsEN generation seems to be presented as under Holostars, but also not Holostars in the narrow sense.

—– 602.8 —–2022-07-15 19:45:49+08:00:

Milky Queen’s announced a Live2D unveiling, 22 July at 1800 PDT.

—– 602.9 —–2022-07-15 20:09:54+08:00:

Does Hololive bring out its idol outfits in non-concert situations? And what does it matter what context this came up in if they did it anyway? I’m not accusing VShojo of doing idol stuff, I’m not fussed either way about that in and of itself. I’m pointing out that Veibae is wrong when she suggests that there’s no particular idol dimension to Anglophone VTubers either, especially when her own agency has consciously and deliberately dabbled in it. Lest we forget also that Ironmouse has a Live2D idol-inspired outfit.

—– 602.10 —–2022-07-16 12:24:53+08:00:

homely

I would assume by the British and not the North American definition…

—– 602.11 —–2022-07-17 01:50:47+08:00:

I checked through this once for HoloEN: of 11 (current (big sad)) members, four had been regular users of VTuber avatars on their primary account/persona by the time they debuted in Hololive (>!Ame, IRyS, Bae, Fauna!<), two had some limited use of a VTuber avatar on their primary account/persona (>!Gura, Ina!<), one had a separate VTuber persona on a secondary account (>!Kronii!<), and one had VTuber activities on a separate account from their main, but under the same name (>!Mumei!<); the rest had no prior experience that I know of (>!Calli, Kiara, Sana!<). So that makes eight out of eleven members who would constitute ‘former VTubers’ in some sense.

I don’t know about HoloID as a whole, though I did check ID3, of whom only one (>!Zeta!<) has any known prior VTuber experience.

As for JP, four of the original five members of JP Gen 5 had some level of VTuber activity pre-Hololive (except >!Aloe!<), and everyone in HoloX has done some amount of VTuber content in the past. The story is different for older Holomems, from when VTubing was less established and going from non-VTuber to agency was more common. If I’m not mistaken (which I may be), of Gen 0 through Gen 4 (Gamers included) only five are known to have had prior VTuber experience (Suisei obviously, also >!Korone, Rushia, Luna, Coco!<), out of 28 total.

While I don’t know for Nijisanji, for Hololive it’s almost certain that nearly all future JP and EN members will have some kind of VTuber experience simply because of how long the format’s been around now and the relatively low barrier of entry. So it’s kind of a yes and no situation where anyone who was in before 2020 most likely wasn’t a VTuber previously, and anyone who has joined since 2020 (or does so in future) most likely was.

—– 602.12 —–2022-07-17 23:49:22+08:00:

I won’t accept it unless the window is broken.

603: What is the influence of “Griggs VS Duke Power Co.” on how companies shifted their qualification requirements for a job vacancy?, submitted on 2022-07-13 08:08:43+08:00.

—– 603.1 —–2022-07-13 15:03:38+08:00:

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604: Even though sign language is not a universal language and variants exist for different languages ie Spanish sign language , Japanese, American . Do we have a definitive documentation of what was the first form of sign language used ?, submitted on 2022-07-13 11:19:23+08:00.

—– 604.1 —–2022-07-13 15:04:00+08:00:

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605: Senchou & Shion: *Looks Away, submitted on 2022-07-13 11:51:30+08:00.

—– 605.1 —–2022-07-14 00:07:22+08:00:

They’re not married though there’s about 95% certainty they were a couple and probably still are, just less public about it. They dropped the married act around this time last year, though whether it’s because they’re not a couple or because it came off as heteronormative has been a matter of some interpretation. Since then they’ve been less public about the if and how of their relationship but the general implication is still there. I have a bit of a linkdump from an older comment that I may as well share here:

Aside from the relatively well-known rings thing, they got each other White Day gifts just this year (Noel’s tweet) (Flare’s tweet) and mention going on dates (including in that first tweet there but also see here); other mems have noted them being, let’s say suspiciously close (Mio) (Rushia) (Nene); they have a collab cover up of this song, of all the ones to choose; and there’s Noel clips where she explicitly talks about how her relationship with Flare differs from her Subaru obsession such as this and this where she very much describes Flare as a romantic partner. Even if she’s not dating Flare (which to be honest it would be an amazing set of coincidences and PR manipulation if so) Noel is pretty much ‘out’ given this for instance.

So are they together? Probably but there’s some room for reasonable doubt if you want to go there.

—– 605.2 —–2022-07-14 00:35:17+08:00:

It’s the bit where she mentions her and Flare. I also know there’s a clip somewhere of her mentioning something along the lines that when she played with dolls as a child it was always a heroine saving the damsel, though the only version I found on later search cut that bit out and was just about her accidentally melting it by the electric heater.

606: Before the popularization of nation states, how did people identify where they were from when meeting foreigners?, submitted on 2022-07-13 14:55:25+08:00.

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607: Thursday Reading & Recommendations | July 14, 2022, submitted on 2022-07-14 21:00:09+08:00.

—– 607.1 —–2022-08-05 19:45:53+08:00:

A very late reply to this because I was trawling through old threads:

Basically, with CHC you’re better off with volumes published after 1990 and preferably after 2000. Because of that, my personal recommendation for a broad sweep is Harvard’s six-volume History of Imperial China series, capped off with either Jonathan Spence’s The Search for Modern China and/or Pamela Crossley’s The Wobbling Pivot: China Since 1800 (albeit with a bit of an awareness that Crossley makes a couple of errors on 20th century topics in that book).

608: Why didn’t China conquer Mongolia?, submitted on 2022-07-15 02:41:06+08:00.

—– 608.1 —–2022-07-15 12:20:46+08:00:

Well, it is worth stating that there was a time when ‘China’, for a given definition of ‘China’, conquered Mongolia, but the way it did so is worth digging into. Fortunately, I did so in this answer a couple years back, but am happy to add clarification on any points if needed.

What that answer doesn’t get into, at least not explicitly, is why pre-Qing states failed at maintaining power in the steppe effectively. For that, we need to discuss the ‘Nomadic Military Advantage’ thesis, which, funnily enough, I also got into, see this answer and this answer.

—– 608.2 —–2022-07-15 13:02:37+08:00:

I’m not sure where the confusion is coming from, as I quite clearly state that

Nomadic societies can mobilise a far larger proportion of their population than sedentary societies for military purposes without compromising subsistence

The size of an army depends on the size and mobilisation potential of the polity behind it. A big state may mobilise more troops than a small nomadic confederation, while the reverse may also be true. There is no ideal exact size of either a state or a nomadic society that would allow one to generalise on a broad scale.

—– 608.3 —–2022-07-15 23:04:27+08:00:

Well, the overall population sustainable on the Eurasian steppe solely through pastoral nomadism had a limit, but it’s not like the entire steppe was always united, or that the same was also true of the entire sedentary world. So even if states had proportionally smaller armies relative to population when compared to nomadic ones, the sizes of those societies still matter.

To boil it down to just the maths for a sec, let’s say that nomadic societies can mobilise 20% of their population for war, and sedentary societies 2%. A nomadic society of, say, 500,000 people would thus have the same amount of mobilisable military manpower as a sedentary society of 5 million. If you’re in a situation where there are, say, two smaller nomadic societies with 500,000 people each, and one big sedentary state with 50 million, then the sedentary state has a much bigger potential army of around 1 million, while the nomadic societies could only pull together 100,000 each. But if you’re in a situation where there’s a massive nomadic confederation of say 5 million people, and several fragmented sedentary states of maybe 10 million each, then the nomadic society can potentially field 1 million troops while each sedentary state can at most field about 200,000.

In other words, yes nomadic societies were smaller while mobilising more troops, but that doesn’t mean their armies were always smaller because it depends how much smaller a given society was.

609: is this wwi brass Brodie helmet real?, submitted on 2022-07-15 11:57:01+08:00.

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610: Free for All Friday, 15 July 2022, submitted on 2022-07-15 19:00:14+08:00.

—– 610.1 —–2022-07-16 18:28:26+08:00:

Aha, I see I was invoked! When I did my big Tartaria post two years ago (https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/ieg2k0/tartaria_the_supposed_megaempire_of_inner_eurasia/), some r/Tartaria users decided to jump in to defend their pet conspiracy theory; it went over about as well as you’d expect.

611: Lui loop, submitted on 2022-07-17 17:11:40+08:00.

—– 611.1 —–2022-07-18 02:09:54+08:00:

It has taken me this long to realise that this BGM gives me strong Angry Birds vibes, and that it is therefore quite apposite for Lui. Anyone up for making an Angry Holobirds fangame where you fight the Haatons?

612: [Hobby Scuffles] Week of July 18, 2022, submitted on 2022-07-17 23:00:13+08:00.

—– 612.1 —–2022-07-19 09:36:20+08:00:

overseas fans being banned from viewing the livestream

Ah, is this because the platform doesn’t support overseas viewing? I recall at least two (and not implausibly more) Hololive solo concerts that had the same restriction.

—– 612.2 —–2022-07-19 09:45:13+08:00:

Yep. For instance Hololive’s official store ships to my region (HK) but licensing restrictions mean Hololive Nendoroids don’t, and I had to VPN into their last concert for some reason.

—– 612.3 —–2022-07-19 09:53:52+08:00:

If I’m not mistaken, the postponed concert was not viewable overseas. That was definitely true of Nene’s recent Nissin-sponsored concert as well; she even asked about what she could do for overseas fans to make up for it.

—– 612.4 —–2022-07-19 10:06:29+08:00:

…Actually I think the Goodsmile licensing restriction might have gone now as it’s not an issue for newer Pop-Up Parade ones, but at least back when I was getting a Nendo in January (which is before the official store expanded its shipping net) I did so through a friend in the US who was also getting one (thankfully there was a preorder limit of 2). As for the concert though it legitimately might just be SPWN randomly not allowing access from HK as I did a bit of experimenting and found that almost every other country was fine for it. As noted in another comment though, while Hololive’s own concerts are mostly internationally accessible, there have been a couple of collab sponsored ones that are JP-only.

—– 612.5 —–2022-07-19 10:19:41+08:00:

Bit of a sidetrack, but what’s an absence copy?

—– 612.6 —–2022-07-19 11:00:48+08:00:

Ah, no worries then.

—– 612.7 —–2022-07-19 22:47:24+08:00:

Not specified yet, although the Japanese dub doesn’t release for another month.

—– 612.8 —–2022-07-22 20:39:53+08:00:

So, the fascinating thing is that these seasons were weak by the standards set by later TNG. But they weren’t so bad (for the time they were made at least) that the show wasn’t able to survive to its massive S3-onward upswing. It sounds weird but by the time TNG hit its third season it was arguably a pretty ‘established’ show.

—– 612.9 —–2022-07-22 21:07:49+08:00:

Gene Roddenberry is Star Trek’s George Lucas, in more ways than one.

—– 612.10 —–2022-07-22 21:15:02+08:00:

I assume it’s derived from the Japanese pronunciation, where ‘oo’ and ‘ou’ are essentially the same sound (ō) rendered differently. It’s similar to the ‘o’ in ‘more’ when spoken with a British accent.

—– 612.11 —–2022-07-23 02:50:09+08:00:

Troi was supposed to have three breasts. Allegedly the only reason she didn’t was that Jeri Taylor asked where the third one would even go.